Kyle Rittenhouse Update (I WAS WRONG)

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    I was wrong about a couple things and I found more stuff. Watch my first video about this incident here: nosection.info/title/oJSrgH3VoZigpm0/video
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Daryl Pettiford
Daryl Pettiford

I’ve blocked this P.O.S. Nazi bum Why is this popping up in my recommendations?

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Ben R.
Ben R.

I have to say that for most of your videos i agree almost completely with your opinion. But i didnt like that you thought it was ok for police not to immediately arrest kyle with force. When, in multiple videos, you said they can do nothing else but to enact forceful arrests in moments like these, even in far more 'calm' situations than this one

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PepeFrogLive
PepeFrogLive

This was a good detailed video of this incident. I say Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self defense.

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Joseph Roman
Joseph Roman

@Mike Brockway I don’t agree but I feel like this is a topic you may hold closely to your heart. So it’ll take a lot more time and effort than I have, for me to convince you other wise. Regardless this was a good talk, I’m glad that you’re a lot more open-minded and kind than the other people in this comment section. Have a nice day.

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Joseph Roman
Joseph Roman

@Feminism Is Toxic Femininity Lmaoo. So all of you guys are rejected debate members, huh? Never seen a comment so pretentious in my entire life.

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Gina Bolin
Gina Bolin

why was a minor from another state carrying an assault weapon there?!? Let us answer that. He seems to be ready for trouble. Let's go there.

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Duane Eikleberry
Duane Eikleberry

The rioters(aka peaceful protesters)we're pretty stupid to attack someone with an AR style of rifle.i feel that the gene pool must be pretty shallow in regards to the antifa and blm types,the moronic less secsesful Geno types won't be doing any breeding and the rioters who got themselves perished won't be adding there genes to the population. Kyle gave them some 5.56 quite pills

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Cheryl Dominguez
Cheryl Dominguez

Thank God they finally realized the scare kid was protecting himself!! They let him go! Yes!

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j isbell
j isbell

Lmfao, he's still in jail you moron. They dropped the gun charges.

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sock account
sock account

i can clearly see your the dudes voice from motel 666 tom bodet

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Stephen Strange
Stephen Strange

Ayy where can i get that hat?

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Shane Smith
Shane Smith

Kyle did nothing wrong and showed excellent restraint and marksmanship. Freekyleyesterday

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@j isbell The problems with your statements being 1) what you think happened isn't likely to be the whole story, so your assumption about why he fired on Rosenbaum is suspect at best; and 2) I'd really like to see how you'd do under similar circumstances. It's painfully obvious that you've got zero frame of reference.

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j isbell
j isbell

Lmfao, yeah, excellent restraint. Somebody fires a shot in the air and he kills the man without a gun behind him. As far as marksmanship, he missed three shots at close range. What a sharpshooter.

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Gotta go
Gotta go

How in the f**K can anybody call this a mass shooting after watching the video unless they are blind? I mean, FFS, people have got to stop politicizing every god damn thing going on in this crazy ass world - the kid defended himself and this obvious a politically motivated prosecution. that old wrinkly prosecutor should have his head examined.

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alpheus Hill
alpheus Hill

He 17 and his senseless mother brought her son and gave him a weapon that was illegal for a 17 year old boy to have, they was not protecting there own store smdh but y'all not worried about that all y'all worried about is people pass record not if they innocent at that time, well I am sorry to tell y'all he going away for a long time because he got a stupid parent and she might go also and trump is going to lose this election, so suck up all those evil tears, never in our country's history has kids and people been put in jail for trying to come to this country, kids in jails separated from there parents, y'all stupid president has to go.

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alpheus Hill
alpheus Hill

@SharkVsTree we will see how this rules out in court a lot of fake news out there on both sides of this story, I would not put myself in that situation if I was him, at age 17 anyone can be mislead, I know where all of my kids are all the time, now he is fighting for his freedom, still at 17, I don't believe you should be out there with a gun, people not seeing eye to eye, agression everywhere, bad move. But he is 17 with out guidance, we pay police to take care of stuff, if a person is in my home or yard they are mine. You see it your way and I see it my way, all we can do is sit back and learn from this mistake and mess. I bet you he wish he never came to that protest if I was in his shoes I would wish that too.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@alpheus Hill *"I had a white grandmother and she even told me the world was not going to be fare,"* Well, she had that right. *"the kid messed up he has to do the time ,"* Except he didn't and he doesn't. The rioters are the ones who messed up and now they're dead and bicepless because they pulled some extra boneheaded dipshittery and decided to attack a kid with a rifle. *"talk all you want the kid should not be at a place like that trying to play hero, my son would of been home with me, if it's not peaceful my son will be home with me not with a fucken gun walking the streets protecting property that's not his,"* Welcome to the Constitution of the United States of America. That's what we do here. When the police demonstrate they can't get the job done by themselves, and the governor fails to call in the National Guard because he's an damn idiot who chooses not to do his job, the people step in to take up the slack according to the Second Amendment. Rittenhouse was one of those people. It was legal for him to be there (at least as legal as it was for anyone to be there, and those idiots were destroying all kinds of things that didn't belong to them), it was legal for him to be armed with the rifle, and it was legal for him to defend himself from the idiots who attacked him. *" this is basic common sense, my son goes shooting in the woods with me but not out in public with a gun, a gun brings ego into kids and adults but a kid even more ego, you seem like a smart guy kids, guns and a aggressive protest don't mix brother no matter what you say,"* Yeah, except this kid happens to have been demonstrably well-trained in the law and the use of the rifle. He didn't break any laws defending himself from people WHO ATTACKED HIM at a riot, where he was previously rendering aid to people and helping to protect property. See? He didn't cause the problem here. The rioters did. Because that's what rioters do. *" you know it was a wrong move by the parents. This is basic logic never put your young ones in danger she did, I feel sorry for the kid in some way someone should of been around to guide him ,a father or mother."* I already told you, his mother didn't have any idea what was going on. She was completely unaware that he went downtown after his work shift and didn't know he had until after the shooting had occurred. His father is not in the picture. His parents have nothing to do with it. He went to work in Kenosha earlier in the day and left from there to help out downtown on night three of the rioting. A friend appears to have picked him up from work and loaned him the rifle. Then they went downtown with the plan to help protect property form the rioters and offer first aid to people who were injured. While he was there, some rioters attacked him. He defended himself.

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alpheus Hill
alpheus Hill

@SharkVsTree I had a white grandmother and she even told me the world was not going to be fare, the kid messed up he has to do the time , fuck color that's only in my eyes, you do stupid shit you win stupid prizes ,talk all you want the kid should not be at a place like that trying to play hero, my son would of been home with me, if it's not peaceful my son will be home with me not with a fucken gun walking the streets protecting property that's not his, this is basic common sense, my son goes shooting in the woods with me but not out in public with a gun, a gun brings ego into kids and adults but a kid even more ego, you seem like a smart guy kids, guns and a aggressive protest don't mix brother no matter what you say, you know it was a wrong move by the parents. This is basic logic never put your young ones in danger she did, I feel sorry for the kid in some way someone should of been around to guide him ,a father or mother.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@alpheus Hill *"then you will say the law is on fare, when this young guy get 25 to life, he going to get some years in jail,"* Doubtful. People attacked him, see. And most of it is right there on video for everyone to see. What isn't on video appears to be self defense supported by witness testimony. So go ahead and keep wishing someone who's not guilty gets jail time just because he's white, I guess. That looks like about the extent of your argument. Doubt it's gonna make you feel better in the end. And the rest of your entire post has nothing to do with the Kenosha case. Not interested in listening to you ramble on about random political bullshit, like because I don't agree with you on how you perceive the whole Kenosha thing I must be against you on everything else. Ridiculous. Grow the f**k up, man. I don't play 'sides.' You go on with that if you want to.

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alpheus Hill
alpheus Hill

@SharkVsTree then you will say the law is on fare, when this young guy get 25 to life, he going to get some years in jail, I promise y'all only see the law in your way (right wings) when Breanna Taylor was shot and killed and they let her boyfriend go the next day ,gave the family 12 million dollars, yall said it was because the law didn't want to look racist and he was selling drugs, that guy has no jail time or felonies on his record, but y'all side keep saying story's that's not true, the man was freed the next day of the shooting and so many people have sued the Kentucky police and have not gotten the money in years, her family got it in less then 5 months smdh but your side is telling you its unfair, on tv even the officer in the shooting said it was the wrong house but yall are still saying they was right to shoot dammmm smdh, you need to investigate for yourself if you want to know the truth, especially from your side ,my left wingers are not innocent either with the whole story but y'all are monsters, and will be upset that trump is out of office come soon, you can't lock children up in cages, we have never locked someone up for trying to come to this country in cages, smdh children you can deport them buy keeping them in cages also cost more money, he wants to prove to y'all he's giving y'all what y'all want by torturing women and children running coming here for a better life no one owns this land , we all are immigrants and caging people is wrong ,the Mexicans will remember this, you cant stop them from multiplying no one can, this is prophecy and everything yall feared will come true, but they will remember what y'all did to them.

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Carl Goring
Carl Goring

Well YouTube obviously has a problem with people that speak out against pedophiles, obviously cut from the same cloth as the BBC

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Bitchute Damian Vigorito
Bitchute Damian Vigorito

Kyles pro cop. So why is he not happy to be in jail. They arrested him. They are prosecuting him. Maybe Kyle will wake up and realize all cops are obedient as Jesus said to the rulers of the world who are obedient to satan the prince of the world. Didn’t see any cops off duty not one doing what men and Kyle were doing. When Trump’s assistant said all cops should have term limits of five years a maximum of $1000 a month and salary I thought ingenious and that no person with military experience should be allowed to become a cop

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Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

They charged him because it was the political thing to do. They didn’t want more rioting and the Kenosha Police Chief’s comments after the fact really show his motives. Kyle Rittenhouse should have been cleared from the start because the evidence was clear from the start.

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Ski Ba
Ski Ba

Imagine mercing someone and living with it for the rest of your life at 17 jesus

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Zachary Binion
Zachary Binion

I think kyle should be charged with a minor possession of a firearm... but that is it... lol

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

Well, he was charged with that crime, but they're going to have a hard time making it stick. It was legal for him to possess the rifle via 948.60(3)(c).

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SamuraiPredatore
SamuraiPredatore

so it was another man in a green shirt that put the dumpster fire out, the part in which kyle is running past with a fire extinguisher, he was running to go put out another fire that joseph started, that in turn made joseph even more mad after the brief confrontation prior to the 2nd fire being put out.

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namalmgren1
namalmgren1

This is America????SAD

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Comicsluvr
Comicsluvr

I clicked on this expecting to find yet another right-wing rant defending Rittenhouse and his actions. I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised. You didn't take a side, obfuscate or add the same little snarky comments many other commentators often make. You not only reported exactly what happened to the best of your knowledge, you even admitted that you were wrong during a previous podcast. Good on you, man. I wish all journalists did this instead of putting up click-bait crap and their version of what happened complete with their obvious bias.

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Winkle
Winkle

So I guess that guy won't be doing much sexual assault from now on.

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Winkle
Winkle

@j isbell nice one, lol

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j isbell
j isbell

But Kyle's learning all about it in jail.

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Fred Watson
Fred Watson

Yes that's true if they killed Kyle Rittenhouse they would have been nothing, but it was self-defense and if it goes too far somebody will step in and I bet you it'll be President Trump to get them off the hook Tama President Trump 20/20

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j isbell
j isbell

A president cant pardon people on state charges.

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Craig Fraser
Craig Fraser

Shuda shot all of em.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

Shooting all the vigilante militants...? Seems a bit harsh but I see why you would feel that.

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Death order Smith
Death order Smith

Holy fuck there are a lot of muffs with sand in their snizzes in this comment section.

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Matt Kaz
Matt Kaz

The giveaway is your raising the charges against the guy who was shot. They are completely immaterial to this incident, you are just trying to leverage people's disgust about sex offenders.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

So true

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TeoricosConspiratorianos
TeoricosConspiratorianos

A very coward and clever way to get rid of inocent protesters; use of mercenaries so the police can get away with murder.

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Carbon
Carbon

I can't tell if you're joking or not, the fact that you used *innocent* *protesters* to describe them makes me think the former.

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William Farley
William Farley

Now I'm wondering if the chomo was chasing to fight or .... well you know

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William Farley
William Farley

Look i have been a gun owner since a very young age. I have 5 years working with the D.O.C., i also have 2 years working with juveniles that were too young to go to prison. The whole situation can be debated to show guilt. At the end of the day if you grab at a rattle snake and it bites you . Whos fault is it?

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree if they had a prior run in maybe... But other then that... In the dark... Guys dressed simular... It would be fairly hard to have a plan as a rioter other then " start chaos... Steal shit... Don't let any one stop you" Unless there is some kind of prior run in between them that night I don't think it was planned out to much in advance...

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@goblin knight *"it is no more premeditated on the deceased then it is on Kyle."* Oh yeah? How do you know that? I think it's very possible that there was some premeditation on Rosenbaum's part.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree it is no more premeditated on the deceased then it is on Kyle. 0% Just a chance coinincidence between two lone wolf's so to speak. One trained and prepared. One wiser and potentially stronger.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@goblin knight However, not very clever of you to fail to realize that Donut was demonstrating that they were prone to making decisions to a degree that obliged the state to correct their unlawful behavior in the past, and that Rosenbaum very likely resorted to some past predatory behavior in choosing to attack Rittenhouse specifically.

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Magistar
Magistar

He killed people trying to assault him. End of story.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

He put himself in danger and became negligent in the eyes of the law and there for partially responsible for any and all loss of life and damage to property his action my have helped perpetuate.

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Mathew Niska
Mathew Niska

i live near kenosha

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John Rage
John Rage

Me too

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racc
racc

wth is wrong with the people in this comment section everyone cracking fucking jokes about the dead people

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Stoner Shag
Stoner Shag

They were awful people

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John Rage
John Rage

That's that good Christian values and forgiveness the right is known for

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Rad Brad
Rad Brad

Moral of the story here do not get involved if you disagree you might lose your life or get a first degree

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John Rage
John Rage

Amen

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Devin Coppy
Devin Coppy

Only charge he should get is the last one that’s the only thing he did wrong

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree because you don't know what negligent and culpable even mean my argument is irrelevant... Sure.... If you say so

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage I wasn't responding to you. But just so you know, I ignore your negligence argument because it's so ludicrous that it's not worth my attention.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree did you even read the comment. I am talking about negligence and how it effects culpability.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

You mean the possession charge? They can't convict on that one either. It was legal for him to carry the rifle via 948.60(3)(c). Wisconsin allows minors 16 and older to carry rifles or shotguns unsupervised, so long as they meet a few restrictions. Rittenhouse wasn't in violation of those restrictions, so it was legal for him to carry the rifle.

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John Rage
John Rage

If you have the option to ignore a curfew and be in danger or obey a curfew and be safe* which would you choose? If you choose to be in danger then you are looking for an excuse to use your gun.

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Australian Word
Australian Word

This kind of reminds me of the Boston Massacre

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre

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John Rage
John Rage

Boston tea party...?

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mohamed hussein
mohamed hussein

God damn it all those pedos and violent criminals wanted to do was stop him and take away his gun. Lmaooooo its literally a joke within itself.

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mohamed hussein
mohamed hussein

@j isbell lmao one of three that got shot lmao how many of them in the mob that weren't shot that are registered sexual predators. Check your neighborhood I bet there's people in the area that would totally shocked the shit out of you.

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j isbell
j isbell

Only one of three had a sexual offense on his record. Lie much?

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mohamed hussein
mohamed hussein

Rioters are wrong in the first place for being pieces of shit from all walks of life. They don't respect law and order, they caused harm, death and destruction upon citizens who had absolutely nothing to do with anything. People get butt hurt when they have someone who fights back and straight up John wicks thier sorry sad asses. Stop crying 😢

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John Rage
John Rage

willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a city wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* His choice to rush into danger... He is at least partially responsible for any lost life or damaged property his actions caused.

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unionse7en
unionse7en

so what good did Kyle do? he just escalated a problem. glad i am not him right now

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree no matter how you slice it 2 equally idiotic sets of people can't legally get into a shoot out in the middle of a riot when they both broke a public safety restriction to be there.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree so quick thought. If every one is a militia men.... Then all the protesters and rioters are too. They have a right to act against what they precive as tyrannical the other faction had no right to stop them.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree agreed. I personally feel that all non violent and semi questionable case like Kyle's ... (I still think he was acting like a dumb heroic kid and is guilty of negligent homicide and had better things to do like study for school or do something really heroic like volentier helping the elderly carry grocieres far from the riots....) Questionable cases like Kyle's.... Should have a review after a few years at the verry least and maybe a formal hearing to restore his or her rights to a gun. Most non violent felons should be allowed to have a gun. Any felon that wants to be drafted can make his public record a secured government document and only state or federal officials can gain access to it. Most sex offenders would still have to register though. Any one violently or manipulative to the young... For sure. 21 year olds that get lied to by a 15 year olds at house parties and things like that....if you willingly get drafted then that should be semi exsponged or only allowed to be viewed by local and federal law enforcements Because that's kind of a mistake of the young. I think a woman has a right to choose abortion.... But by the age of 25 her ass should know better so for sure age restrict abortion. We don't need children raising children ... I think people born with life long ilneess and handicaps and the elderly should always have the best support and care and not just the rich. That's pretty much my views. You seem like a decent enough fellow.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage ​ @John Rage *"So a felon with no gun rights would be allowed to have a gun to stand against tyranny?"* Not legally, no. They're a felon. They're not allowed to possess firearms because they have demonstrated a lack of care for the law and conscientiousness of other's rights. *"What if tyranny was not allowing felons to have guns especially non violent ones?"* I understand that argument and don't entirely disagree with it, but you may have a hard time convincing others. I certainly have. *"If dispatch tells you not to fallow he should have listened. All I can say there."* I agree, he should have listened. On the other hand, the dispatcher did not have the legal authority to tell him what to do in that situation, and it is clear that Martin reacted in an unlawful manner. It's tragic that Martin's life was ended because of it, but when someone has you pinned to the ground and is repeatedly punching you in the head, you don't know how long you have left to be conscious, or what will happen if you lose consciousness. The point being don't jump on top of people and repeatedly punch them in the head. *"But if the people in that city or state no longer approve of that law they can vote to change it."* Exactly.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree Rebuttal?

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Russell kammer
Russell kammer

Sleep tight rosenbitch free Kyle

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John Rage
John Rage

Kyle is going to the big house.

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Gabriel Arias
Gabriel Arias

This hole thing seems dumb. Because he’s 17 years old what a rifle crossing state lines. Where are his Parents I kind of think there more to blame than any of this or being a shitty parent Just saying what asshole lets their 17-year-old son cross state lines with a rifle with a bunch of strange men that he met on Facebook.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage No, see, the rioters are the instigators in this situation. Clearly and intentionally.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree any one that gives a 17 year old a gun and drives him towards a dangerous situation is not a "friend" of the family. They are instigators.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

1) He did not cross state lines with a rifle. He crossed state lines to got to work in Kenosha. After his work shift, he was legally loaned a rifle by a Kenosha resident and carried it legally via Wisconsin statute 948.60(3)(c). 2) His mother was not aware that he had decided to go downtown after work, and was not aware that he had until after the fact. 3) The person who gave him a ride downtown and also apparently loaned him the rifle appears to have been a well-known friend of his family.

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Cole Wunderlich
Cole Wunderlich

He was defending himself and those ppl deserved to be shot and if they weren’t shot by him they would’ve been shot by someone else Bc they r criminals

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John Rage
John Rage

He was negligent. He manufactured an excuse to use his gun and he went out there looking for trouble. Last I heard the death penalty is only administered after the trial.

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Damier too funny
Damier too funny

This kid came out there looking for a fight he brought a gun out there with the mindset of if I have to I’ll kill anybody like that’s dumb as hell

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Bolt Design Studio
Bolt Design Studio

Whats with the last names?

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

Lots of German immigrants in Wisconsin.

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Tom Wetz
Tom Wetz

This can't happen enough. I am tired of Criminals having more rights than Citizens.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/negligence This explain why Kyle is being charged. Not unfair.

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SHADOWWOLF77
SHADOWWOLF77

What I saw in this video was ONE guy defending himself against three assaillants that were trying to kill or at the very least cause him serious bodily harm. And after wards he called a friend saying he just shot someone... Had his attackers killed him I pretty much doubt they would have felt even half as responsible...

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John Rage
John Rage

@SHADOWWOLF77 its clear he had intent to break an executive order and public safety restriction and then willingly did so while fully aware he may end up killing some one. Negligent homicide is light for that much for thought that you already have a bogus story about cleaning graffiti and dumpster fires. If you don't like the mayor then vote him out. If you don't live in Kenosha then you shouldn't invade a city with your freinds during a riot unless you have explicit governmental permission to do so. He defended himself. But he bears a part of the culpability of the circumstances that he put himself in. He won't walk.

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SHADOWWOLF77
SHADOWWOLF77

@John Rage Hopefully he will get aquitted as he did no wrong. The leftist cretins should not have attacked him which they did with clear intent to do him serious if not lethal harm. They had NO duty and less authority to apprehend him as there was no reason for them to do so.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SHADOWWOLF77 https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/negligence This explains the guidelines used to charge Kyle.

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SHADOWWOLF77
SHADOWWOLF77

@j isbell Well, I don't know really, maybe law and order unlike the leftist scum that usually slither back under their rock?! How many times have Antifa scum or left wing ever taken ANY responsability for their actions? ZERO And his actions was evidently justified = Justified in that he was defending himself, had he not he'd be either dead or definitely in the hospital. The three leftists were stalking him for absolutely NO reason other than their hatred.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@j isbell read that book "give a boy a gun"

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James Booth
James Booth

LET'S GO! ALL KYLE'S CHARGES ARE DROPPED!

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Weißbrothäutiger Zisgender mit Hang zur Normalität
Weißbrothäutiger Zisgender mit Hang zur Normalität

a lot of german names...

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

Welcome to Wisconsin.

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FiNaL AuTHorRiTy
FiNaL AuTHorRiTy

There wasn't a completely law-abiding individual involved in this situation. There doesn't always have to be good guys and bad guys, but sometimes it's just bad that leads to more bad. Rittenhouse was carrying a firearm that only a 21 yr old can carry, which proceeds all other incidents. This is primarily to allow "responsible" behavior to have set in by that age. Knowingly breaking the law and entering a highly inflamed area will be hard to take the only in self defense stance. I'm not for one way or the other; I personally believe if you decide to stay in such a volatile environment, you are responsible for your own life. Engaging an armed individual isn't exactly smart, obviously, but neither is shooting unarmed individuals and expecting there to not be any consequences. Also, you don't leave the entire area and walk past all the law enforcement as if nothing happened. It is ultimately up to the jury but I think they were all dumb and breaking the law. There is no champion to get behind or winner - everybody lost.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree regardless I think breaking a public safety restriction would qualify as negligent. The d.a. aimed way to high if he plans to take it to court.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree maybe not poor but.... I guess it all boils down to how that first interaction went down.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@goblin knight *"no tell me you are lieing.* *This doesn't fit 1st degree murder."* Nope. I'm aware. But I'm pretty sure the DA was just 'throwing the book at him' in order to help temporarily appease the rioters. I don't believe he expects those charges to stick. *"Kyle doesn't have a fully developed brain until 25 by most reports...."* Doesn't seem to make much of a difference in this case. However developed a brain is at 17, his appears to have allowed him to handle the situation lawfully. *"If that's true... 1st degree then they way over charged him.*" It's true. Find the criminal complaint and read it. Case #2020CF000983. *"Kyle got caught up with this hero fantasy we see in a lot of youths...* *Its not 100% his fault he wanted to go... He was taught to uphold the law... But did a poor job at it..."* I disagree. On the contrary, I think he did an outstanding job dealing with those circumstances for someone his age. *"Tell me at least that the man that survived is being charged with assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder or something...."* I don't know for sure, but Grosskreutz doesn't appear to have been charged. I expect that he will be, if he has not been already. *"Jeez dude. All the ridicule I gave you... I sinserly apologize ..."* Accepted.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree Kyle got caught up with this hero fantasy we see in a lot of youths... Its not 100% his fault he wanted to go... He was taught to uphold the law... But did a poor job at it... Tell me at least that the man that survived is being charged with assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder or something.... Jeez dude. All the ridicule I gave you... I sinserly apologize ... Kyle should not be convicted of first degree.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree I can see it being negligent homicide Like you said earlier.... You are to smart to get caught up. Kyle doesn't have a fully developed brain until 25 by most reports.... If that's true... 1st degree then they way over charged him.

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Zynostik
Zynostik

So Rosenbaum died doing what he did best. Chasing after minors. And then got shot by one. Ironic.

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uly roth
uly roth

you watch fox and is racist

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uly roth
uly roth

i was wrong kyle the clown ,the complaint

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jmo82592
jmo82592

These people are stupid for putting themselves in this position anyways. Let the police and military take care of business. Yes i carry, and i train in self defense. But I would never purposely put myself in a stupid situation where stupid stuff gonna happen. Know my comment probably gonna get hate.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree what's for sure is Kyle is culpable.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@jmo82592 That is for sure.

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jmo82592
jmo82592

@SharkVsTree I guess I never really disagreed with legality. I just know for a fact the military has more than enough personnel to easily take control. Why they have not? I do not know. I just think at 17 he shouldn't have been there because the country has more than enough power to protect our streets. I'm sure reasons are political.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@jmo82592 *"One final thought I will add is this. I guess I have less sympathy because Rittenhouse was not defending his own property. He put himself in a bad situation."* Whereas I see a kid who was trying to help people in the midst of a bad situation that both the rioters and the governor of Wisconsin put him (and many others) in. I find it difficult to fault him for that instinct, particularly when it seems like most kids his age (and older, even) , mainly because of social media, seem to be taught to be hopelessly narcissistic these days. The thing about the Second Amendment is that it isn't about just protecting your own property. It's about providing for the 'security of a free state,' which is exactly the thing the rioters are endeavoring to prevent and interrupt by intimidating the public through indiscriminate destruction. *"One where law enforcement and military have more liberties in use of lethal force. As they should being trained professionals."* Yes, that would be preferred by me as well. But again, if the police demonstrate incapability, and the military are not called to support them by political leadership, what do we do? I don't mean to go around in circles, but it seems that some people, including Kyle, approached the problem according to the direction of the constitution. Which is the right way to handle the problem. *"We can rebuild damaged buildings. Instead we have this tragedy."* But some of the things in those buildings can't be rebuilt. Inside of those buildings often exist dreams realized through hard work. We dehumanize the destruction because that makes it easier for us to accept. And commit. But inside those buildings were people's livelihoods, some barely scraping by through pandemic, and while some of them may have been covered by insurance, when the destruction occurs indiscriminately, there's no way for anyone to tell who can afford the loss and who can't, what work has been destroyed in the process or who created it. It's just mindless. *"At 17 he can't make as good judgment calls. I mean i remember myself being pretty stupid at 17."* Well, that's the thing... We shouldn't assume that because we don't feel like we could make good decisions at that age, that everyone else suffers from the same weaknesses and faults that we did. In this case, Rittenhouse appears to have operated fully according to the law. It was at least as legal for him to be there as the people who were intent on destroying the things he was intent to protect, it was legal for him to possess the rifle, and he appears to have reacted to being attacked lawfully. Better than I have seen grown men do. So how do we fault him for those things? *"Much appreciated for the friendly conversation. These are the type we need to not hate so much in this world, and have good discussion. I know the media makes things seem grim, but this country has been through worse."* Agreed. And thank you as well. Have a good one.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree so if the 2nd amendment is there to protect against tyrannical rule what is the right to vote there for?

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Hyper_lix_YT
Hyper_lix_YT

How exactly is it self-defense if he shot somebody in the BACK?

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree you can still defend yourself and be culpable. You're welcome.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@goblin knight *Consider what the rioters did* Willfully ignored a city wide curfew enacted specifically to address and control rioting, requiring the people who would resist their activities to ignore the curfew as a well, due to the fact that the police did not possess the resources to effectively respond to the rioting and the National Guard was not called in to support them due to political negligence. Willfully incited a riot during a pandemic for the third night in a row. Willfully destroyed and looted private property. Willfully set fire to private property in an attempt to ignite an explosion at a gas station. Willfully and irrationally engaged in a confrontation with a person in possession of a rifle. Willfully pursued that person when said person attempted to flee from the confrontation, then cornered and attacked him. Willfully and recklessly fired a handgun in the direction of that person. Willfully and irrationally attacked a person in possession of a rifle based on the authority of second-hand, word-of-mouth information while that person was running away and presenting no threat to anyone in the vicinity. Willfully presented a false surrender in an effort to attack this person a fourth time. A text book example of mob mentality and what it means to be ignorant of the law and willfully criminal. Kyle defended himself and is in no way culpable. He was forced to defend himself from people who willfully attacked him. You're welcome.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

*Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

The prime witness to this shooting explains this in an interview with Tim Pool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmVXyJY5Eis&t=697s

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Ahmed Abdul Raheem
Ahmed Abdul Raheem

Your comments about the shooting victim is bias and is defamation of the character. It can be inferential to the extent that he was doing the society a favor by shooting a “sex offender”. Hello his is poisoning the well of any potential jurors. Please stop going into the backgrounds of the victim or any other. Also, you are trying to portray a stand you ground reason for “Kyle” to shoot people.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree why aren't you attacking his argument. Lots of people use that account by the way. 🙈

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage Dude, you're posting in here from two different accounts and liking your own posts. WTF do you know about integrity, troll?

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree you have no integrity.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree Kyle acted *negligent in the eyes of the law* and is there for culpable. Others should share his punishment. End of story

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree you look like you have a dubble standard. Kyle should be allowed to break a law because other people are breaking the law.... That is a prime example of a Shitty argument.

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mrmajik03
mrmajik03

Possessing a weapon underage illegally diminishes the self defense argument

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@Rob - every member of the militia is a citizen of this country and as a citizen must adhere to all government protocol.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@Rob - if you break a public safety restriction and purposefully put yourself in a dangerous situation... When you are told by the government not to then you bear the consequences.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@Rob - a public safety restriction issued by the government holds more clout in court then does the babbling of a civilian militia member

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@Rob - militias that don't obey the law are lawless vigilantes.

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Rob -
Rob -

@goblin knight again, no government entity needs to approve, regulate or control a militia.

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John Culley
John Culley

Rittenhouse initially used a fire extinguisher to stop an obvious attempt to commit felony arson near a gas station which should help him argue both self-defense and defense of others.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Rob - maybe the mayor thought it would be safer for the people that actually live in Kenosha to stay home because people from all over the Midwest (including militant groups) were showing up night after night making trouble and rather call in the national guard he figured he would arrest them instead if they were identified. Either way a mayor out ranks a civilian militant group with no clear leader in state or federal executive branch.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Rob - a militia reports to a state or federal government. Anything else is a militant group and doesn't have the same rights in the 2nd amendment. If the 2nd amendment is to defend against* tyrannical rule.... What is the right to vote there for?

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Rob -
Rob -

@John Rage because the second amendment lets anyone 17-45 to join a militia when the government is tyrannical. A mayor (government) refuses to allow police to stop the riots, and refuses to help the law biding citizens while refusing to arrest and charge TERRORIST. It is by definition “tyrannical” and ANYONE who is an american citizen has the CONSTITUTION right to defend any part of the nation.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree I'll tell you what. When you are ready to give a valid explanation as to why a Kyle has a right to disobey a "corrupt" mayor but the mayor doesn't have the right to disobey a "corrupt" president then I will listen. Until then I am just gonna keep posting about Kyle being negligent. Bye fatty

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree also if all the protesters and rioters think politicians that allow police to perform carotid chokes on unarmed suspects are corrupt then they don't have to obey those politicians or their laws and executive authority... Which is what they are doing.... Just like Kyle in that regard huh?

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DannyWarlegs
DannyWarlegs

He put himself in that situation, just like the rioters. You cant insert yourself into a deadly situation, and then claim fear of your life as your motive for shooting. That's not self defense. Hes not a cop or security, hes a minor illegally in possession of a firearm who shot 3 criminals. But yes he is still a criminal too.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree the government gave Kyle an option to obey the curfew and stay safe... Or to ignore it and be put in DANGER.... If you had the option to be safe vs the option to be in danger what would you choose?

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@Zach W I suppose it depends on what you mean by that, but I can see both the truth in that statement and the lies dished out to make people feel a certain way while greatly exaggerating the truth of the matter. Sometimes people leave you no other option but to either shoot them or accept your own death. Some people aren't going to accept their own death, nor should they be forced to.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@Zach W because some people claim the land but have no pride in actually working it.

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Zach W
Zach W

@SharkVsTree Had this country acted appropriately, there aren’t riots anyways. Why are humans such a broken species??

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree I will agree that the mayor had a duty to prevent the rioters. If the president was asking for political favors for sending in the national guard though then the mayor also had a duty to not offer anything for the assistance. So maybe the mayor should *SHARE* the blame a bit. But Kyle still broke a public safety restriction to put himself in a dangerous situation... That is defiantly negligent on his part.

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Christian Gündel
Christian Gündel

Cool T-Shirt !!!

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amvertigo reloaded
amvertigo reloaded

An American actually using a gun for its intended purpose. Where’s the problem?

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree seriously. I learned to play that game young. I play at about a 1400 on average People like Bobby fisher would play at about a 2100+ Average casual player is about 11-1200

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage Doubtful.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree play me in a game of chess... You will find I think more then you realise.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree so Kyle had other responsibilities... Like to be a kid.... Kyle is part of this "childish bull shit" For three nights people came from all over the Midwest to be in Kenosha to do dumb shit. You would be smarter then to get caught up. Which is why you are not negligent and Kyle is. Partially responsible for any life lost or damage to property he helped perpetuate with his irresponsible decision to put himself in a volatile situation. P.s. I will continue to comment

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree the riots are going on now... You haven't gone. Same circumstances apply to Kyle as they do to you. Would you stay in the city where you don't live but do work to break a city wide curfew to attend a dangerous riot.... Or would you go home and be safe?

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Hey You
Hey You

Sad to hear anyone would defend the crowd of rioters. If that many people start trying to jump anyone i don't care what color background you come from your going to do what needs to be done. Honestly I've seen most of the shootings released this kid had more trigger discipline than 99 percent of the police. Definitely at the wrong for being there with a gun but given the circumstances pretty hard to argue against his actions

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Hey You
Hey You

@John Rage I see well technically you actually were more of a criminal considering as stated before Kyle was legally allowed to be where he was. We can argue if it was self defense or not but based on what I saw I know I would have done the same in his shoes and honestly so would you because logically no on is going to choose to have someone kick their ass and try to disarm them. I drank underage to John however I can name 5 people off the top of my head who either killed someone in a dui accident or themselves. I'm really not that old don't know if your scenario is really that much better which honestly is why alcohol is illegal until 21.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Hey You I never got drunk and killed Any one. So I was more responsible then Kyle was.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/negligence

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@Hey You His lawyers are in fact claiming self defense. One of his lawyers is the guy who got a massive defamation settlement for Nick Sandmann against CNN and the Washington Post. Given the publicly available evidence, It's very clear that it was self defense as defined by Wisconsin 939.48. The only questions to answer really are whether he provoked the confrontation (no evidence I have yet seen suggests that he did, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that it was the other guy who did so), and whether it was reasonable for him to shoot Rosenbaum (which appears pretty straight forward).

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Hey You
Hey You

@SharkVsTree well man you got me just goes to show how little I know about gun laws. Kinda interested with that being said how he doesn't have a pretty good lawyer pleaing self defense, because legally it doesn't seem he was in the wrong for shooting anyone who got shot based on the evidence presented

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Stay Swervin’
Stay Swervin’

But this still hasn’t shown me why he was chased cause the first guy the the fire extinguishers wasn’t Kyle

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

That moment apparently wasn't caught on camera. You'd have to read the criminal complaint and the witness testimony of Richard McGinniss to understand that.

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Stay Swervin’
Stay Swervin’

3:15 I’m confused if that Kyle where is his riffle He also looks way to slim to be Kyle

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

That's why Donut says 'It's hard to tell if that's Kyle in that video,' because it wasn't Rittenhouse. The person who put out the fire appears to be the same person in this video, standing to the left of the frame, with the fire extinguisher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ughQ_1rKwXo&t=0m14s

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PoroWatchGaMing
PoroWatchGaMing

I believe the pants are also the wrong color.

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Quarter past Hungry
Quarter past Hungry

Question of the day: how many kids can a dead paedophile rape in a day? If uncertain, google the answer.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Esben M Kyle is as reckless and lawless as any rioter.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Esben M true that.

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Esben M
Esben M

He didn't know anything about him. If you shoot into a crowd and by luck manage to hit only criminals, you go free?

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John Rage
John Rage

How many militant children have stopped riots?

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Quarter past Hungry
Quarter past Hungry

Ahahaha, a sea of self important, self entitled snowflakes attacked the guy, they guy did what any self concious person would have done, retreated and defended himself with the least possible force used. Considering that fear for life factor here exists to the fullest extent, he in my opinion should not be charged with any crimes what so ever.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Rob - oh sorry. here is that link I promised you. https://youtu.be/FkGK7bitav0

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Rob -
Rob -

@John Rage i never did lmfao

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John Rage
John Rage

@Rob - you promised it to some one. Not me

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Rob -
Rob -

@j isbell it clearly shows when Joseph Rosenbaum was inciting people to take their guns like he attempted to do on kyle. Don’t go attacking people who are armed and you won’t be shot. Pretty simple. He said he is a medic, he never said licensed. You have no clue what you’re talking about. It never says kyle put out a fire. Why make shit up?

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Rob -
Rob -

@John Rage i never promised a link lmfao. But I provided one anyway lmfao

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Random Name
Random Name

Your mod team sucks. The guy that put out the fire was not kyle but was dressed similarly. Other footage posted has shown this to be the case. Rosenbaum made the mistake between the two people and attacked.

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beanie weenies
beanie weenies

I love how the general argument is “they’re only trying to take his gun away” as if we all have no idea what is about to follow that immediately afterwards.

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mtb supertroll
mtb supertroll

Thank you KYLE- !!! hopefully a real militia will appear soon with thousands of trained and armed Americans and wipe these RATS out once and for all--

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John Rage
John Rage

@Rob - of acting negligent in the eyes of the law. And by default culpable for the 2 dead citizens. You're welcome.

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Rob -
Rob -

@John Rage of self defense. Big deal

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John Rage
John Rage

@mtb supertroll cool. Kyle is still guilty

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mtb supertroll
mtb supertroll

@John Rage no militia -- governor of these states would not accept national guards help-- FACT__

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John Rage
John Rage

*Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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Robert Downes
Robert Downes

Send all these idiots from both sides to Epstien's Island were they can go at it Hunger Games style and give us our streets back.

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Esben M
Esben M

@goblin knight People ate each other there.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

Ha ha ha. They actually tried something like That on an island in Russia before Yeltsin was in office I think.

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John Mejia
John Mejia

Thats a child. They know nothing about what these weapons can do to people. When you see the fragmented skull of someone's face littered with blood and what used to be an eye, then you'll realize that person you were just talking with is as human as you.

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Rob -
Rob -

Ugh. Child? Are people his age who died in all american wars for your freedoms just children ? How ignorant are you?

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

Hard to see them that way when it's pretty apparent that they're trying to kill you at the time. It becomes an either me-or-them situation real quick, without a whole lot of time to react. Rittenhouse wasn't the one who created those situations. The rioters were. How do you feel about their behavior? Was it childish?

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Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

Its like watching a group of children argue over a game or some stupid shit.

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Nigel Balgobin
Nigel Balgobin

I see the use of the word "Patriot" throw around to describe these militias. Can someone explain in a reasonable manner why they exist today? The British are no longer threatening us. We have local and federal police agencies. In regards to destruction of private property, that's the job of the police to prevent. Too often we lose sight of that as we call these gun toting militias "Patriots". They're taking the law into their own hands just the same as the looters are breaking the law. Neither is better than the other but the militias have a better narrative. They're more palatable because they are portrayed as Joe American standing up to the bad guys. So, Kyle.... was he in mortal danger? Well the first victim apparently tried to reach for his gun? And if he had succeeded, yes that would have been problematic. But, would he have been in mortal danger? Probably not. Regarding the other 2 victims, one could argue that they were good samaritans acting on information that Kyle had just murdered someone and was getting away. If you were in the crowd and they were yelling that he just shot someone and was getting away, wouldn't you want to stop him until the police arrived? Since he has a gun, the level of force you can use has to equal the level of force Kyle is prepared to use. So, hitting him with a skateboard or using a handgun would equal that level of force. Self defense or a mass shooter who managed to leave the scene because of the chaos? Let's not forget that this "Patriot " was already in violation of the law by possessing a firearm that he wasn't allowed to have. Sadly, unless the state can prove that Kyle murdered the first victim I don't see them making their case for the other 2 victims. Hopefully the weapons charges stick. We absolutely can't have armed militias walking the streets. Its simply too dangerous to the rule of law in a civilized society. If you disagree I'd love to hear from you. As Donut said, let's keep it respectful.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree this one group of white gun owners can disobey a mayor's executive authority to illegally act like a police force during a riot. But this other group of non gun owning rioters have to fallow all laws or its them that's evil. No both parties are in the wrong.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree its facisim when you allow one group of citizens to intimidate the other against the laws and public safety restriction because they are more likely to vote for you and help you retain your power.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

​@Nigel Balgobin *"The 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to any of this. You have the right to keep and bear arms in the home"* Yes, because if you read the actual constitutional amendment, that's CLEARLY what they meant by it: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (at home), shall not be infringed." What are you, high? As far as the federal government is concerned, you have the right to bear arms (that's what 'bear' means, you see) anywhere in public in the United States. You see, the federal government doesn't regulate public carry of firearms at all, except with respect to public buildings owned by the federal government. The states themselves regulate the carry of firearms. It just so happens that in Wisconsin, open carry is not regulated by statute. So yes, in fact, you can 'bear arms' outside of your own home, in public, in Wisconsin. And most other states for that matter. 12 states license open carry and 3 do not allow it at all, though all those states need is a decent case to be made out of it and an appellate court or the Supreme Court will change that. District of Columbia v. Heller didn't limit the right to keep and bear arms to the home, it upheld that the Second Amendment INCLUDED the right to keep and bear arms at home *in addition to other rights.* What was being argued was the constitutionality of a handgun ban imposed by the District of Columbia on its residents, and what right its lawmakers had to tell people what to do with firearms in their own homes. This case struck down the DC handgun ban. This is why you should always READ the case law you post to support your arguments. https://www.oyez.org/cases/2007/07-290 *"A militia is a body of citizens enrolled for military discipline. When called to service they come bearing arms. However, nobody in the government called these bozos, they just showed up. They brought guns, of course the protesters will bring their own guns as well."* You should probably read 10 USC 246. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246 Nobody in the government HAD to call 'these bozos' because that's not how the Second Amendment works. It's there in case the government breaks down or fails to act in the interests of its citizens and taxpayers. Because the government decided to prevent the police from responding to the rioting as effectively as they were able and the governor failed to call in the National Guard to support the police, it was clear that the rioters were going to do at least as much damage to the city as they had in the previous nights. So, if the People felt the need to help protect 'the security of a free State,' that is - the ability for people to live and move about as normal in the city - from a mob of idiots who clearly couldn't care less about black lives or anti-fascism while they indiscriminately destroy the businesses and livelihoods of others, they had to do it themselves, you see. And that's what happened. Because the government failed to act. They showed up because Kevin Mathewson, a former Kenosha district alderman, asked them to. *"It's a powder keg just waiting for some yahoo from either side to light the fuse."* That's right. And that's what happens when you decide to throw a riot. Some people aren't going to be okay with you destroying their property and livelihoods and they're going to resist your indiscriminate destruction bullshit. Welcome to America. Get used to the idea. It's gonna get real ugly if people decide to go on with that behavior. It's not getting anyone anywhere. It's just disgraceful tantrum-throwing. And I don't know about you, but I don't negotiate with terrorists. Whether they're 2 years old or 25, they all get the same treatment. With the exception that 25 year-olds (even some 36 year-olds, it would appear) don't seem to know where the line is and they tend to magnify the stupidity of tantrum throwing by orders, and it ends up getting them killed. *"And sadly this Kyle kid is sitting in jail. Kyle is the collateral damage and that's gotta suck for him. It's a shit situation on all sides."* That it is. I wish people would wake the F up and stop letting their news sources rile them up with bullshit. Put down the cell phone. Go do something that doesn't involve being pissed off at the world about the past and shit you don't have any control over anymore. Stop being so damn narcissistic with your Instagram crap. Stop taking every opportunity to virtue signal for likes. Stop pointing the damn finger at everyone else for your shitty life and work on what you can control. You. As opposed to everyone else. *"As an FYI, ANTIFA stands for Anti Fascism which by the way is what America fought against in WW2. So if you're against ANTIFA you're against American core values."* Well, you see, the problem with that is because every time Antifa gets a chance, they go ahead and advertise through action that they're not actually what they say they are. They certainly don't seem to care much about America's core values (democracy, liberty, rights, opportunity, equality). I'm not even really sure what it really is that they ARE, if you can really apply any kind of cohesiveness to it (it's probably their anarchist element that gives me the feeling of a lack of cohesion), except that 'anti-fascist' doesn't necessarily seem to be it! They tend to behave, at times when it suits them, quite astonishingly similar to the good ol' brownshirted fascists of 1920-30's Germany. For being so 'anti-fascist,' they sure do seem to enjoy the use of fascist tactics! Which, predictably, makes me not trust those shifty motherf**kers one bit, being that their actions don't seem to coincide with their words in the slightest. Problem number two is that they seem to enjoy calling everything they don't like 'fascist,' whether it's actually fascist or not. If you had three things that define fascism to qualify it, when they see just one of them they point wild-eyed at it, yelling 'FASCIST!!' much like "She's a WITCH!" in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They seem to think that calling themselves 'Antifa' gives them the right to tell everyone else what is fascist and what isn't, to the point that you end up thinking, "I'm pretty sure they just like to say the word 'fascist' because they're really bad at figuring it out." And then third, you've got the bunch of them that claim to be Marxists and communists! Wanna guess which 20th-century isms were actually worse for the world than fascism? Yep. It's Marxism and communism. Sad trombone. Being an American, I'm not a big fan of totalitarian/authoritarian bullshit in any guise. So quite honestly, unless Antifa can figure out how to get their heads out of their own asses, they can go f**k themselves as far as I'm concerned.

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Nigel Balgobin
Nigel Balgobin

@SharkVsTree The 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to any of this. You have the right to keep and bear arms in the home. District of Columbia v. Heller - right to keep and bear arms in the home but unconnected to service in a militia. United States v. Cruikshank - right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution but shall not be infringed upon by Congress. The late Justice Antonin Scalia clarified in the Heller case that this right was for the defence of hearth and home. A militia is a body of citizens enrolled for military discipline. When called to service they come bearing arms. However, nobody in the government called these bozos, they just showed up. They brought guns, of course the protesters will bring their own guns as well. It's a powder keg just waiting for some yahoo from either side to light the fuse. And sadly this Kyle kid is sitting in jail. Kyle is the collateral damage and that's gotta suck for him. It's a shit situation on all sides. As an FYI, ANTIFA stands for Anti Fascism which by the way is what America fought against in WW2. So if you're against ANTIFA you're against American core values.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree unless you are a cop

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Light Foot
Light Foot

only knowledge I have is from this video and from the witness statements you read out, sounds like he was defending himself.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree if you are saying the police and politicians are failing then hmmmm idk... Try voting them out? Idiot

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree ok well if the police could identify them...the rioters... they could be charged right? Best let them handle things how they see fit. If not then you will be culpable and negligent in the eyes of the law too. Unless you agree the system needs to be reformed? In which case you do support blm? Sounds to me like you do.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@goblin knight The rioters purposefully and willingly broke a public safety restriction in order to INCITE AND ENGAGE IN A RIOT. Then some of them irrationally ATTACKED A PERSON IN POSSESSION OF A RIFLE because they were caught up in the mentality that THEY CREATED when they ENGAGED IN AND INCITED A RIOT. That makes them CRIMINALLY LIABLE FOR VIOLATING SEVERAL PUBLIC SAFETY STATUTES. This is entirely their fault. No riot, no Rittenhouse. Some of them are dead because they made the horrible, irrational decision to attack a person in possession of a rifle, and others a criminally liable because they incited such actions. And they should ALL be held accountable for their actions.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree Kyle purposefully and willingly broke a public safety restriction to be present at that riot. That makes him *NEGLIGENT IN THE EYES OF THE LAW* and culpable for the 2 dead citizens. That's why he is being charged. They aren't treating him in any way unfairly. We would all be in his situation if we did what he did.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree also *i think you are a troll grasping at straws.* ... You expect us to believe you are capable of thinking for yourself... Ha. Not gonna fall for it

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Jackson Kavanaugh
Jackson Kavanaugh

Nice fortnite chair

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Factory400
Factory400

I am a freedom loving, 2nd amendment supporting gun owner.... My view is that this kid intentionally went looking for trouble with an illegal possession of a firearm. He should be charged with murder. I cannot support self-defense claims when you setup the fight.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree *Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a city wide curfew. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@Factory400 *"Rittenhouse was not protecting his house, family, or friends."* He was, in part, helping to protect the property of a business owner who had had two of his three businesses in the area burned down in the previous nights of rioting. There is no law that stipulates whose property he is allowed to help protect. *"He was playing policeman in a different state."* If you believe that, you do not understand what it is that police actually do. Because he lives in a different state does not mean that Kenosha wasn't local to him or that he had no personal connection to it. He worked at the Kenosha YMCA and lived 18 minutes away from it. In fact, he lived closer to Kenosha that two of the people he shot, and in the area longer than one who had moved there from Arizona within a year or the incident.

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Factory400
Factory400

@SharkVsTree Rittenhouse was not protecting his house, family, or friends. He was playing policeman in a different state.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@Factory400 *"A reasonable person would know that walking into a riot situation with an AR is an instigating action and would likely result in conflict. "* No, a reasonable person understands that rioting is designed to instigate conflict in itself, and that allowing rioting to continue without resistance is a very bad idea if you want to have any civilization left at the end of it. When the state doesn't do its job to defend the property and livelihoods of tax-paying property and business owners from mindless mobs, the people have the right via the Second Amendment to provide security for themselves. Thus we have Rittenhouse showing up to take up the slack. *"There is a reason that I personally do not actively go to hot zones and play policeman."* Yes. Because you haven't had to yet. If the police don't show up to keep people from burning your house down, what are you going to do? Let them?

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Factory400
Factory400

@SharkVsTree A reasonable person would know that walking into a riot situation with an AR is an instigating action and would likely result in conflict. There is a reason that I personally do not actively go to hot zones and play policeman.

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MrRevalotion
MrRevalotion

The simple facts are he was under 18 and shouldn't have been out there with a firearm, and that the rioters should never have chased him or tried to take his rifle.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree so in conclusion: Go get me some fucking oatmeal

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree In order for the term *negligent* to apply it must be shown that any rational person would do the opposite of Kyle. So.... If you claim Kyle's actions were rational... And that every (or even the majority) of rational person would do the same... And by default effectively remove the negligence from his actions then .... Prove that what Kyle did was rational.... Go do it your selves Cowards

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree ok well the cops could arrest the rioters if they were identified? Should have let them handle the situation as they thought best. Anything else is negligent and irresponsible. The riots are still going on you know. Why aren't you there? If you feel Kyle did the right thing then step up to the plate big boy.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@John Rage *Consider what the rioters did* Willfully ignored a city wide curfew enacted specifically to address and control rioting, requiring the people who would resist their activities to ignore the curfew as a well, due to the fact that the police had been hamstrung in the way that they were allowed to respond to rioting due to political interference. Willfully incited a riot during a pandemic for the third night in a row. Willfully destroyed and looted private property. Willfully set fire to private property in an attempt to ignite an explosion at a gas station. Willfully and irrationally engaged in a confrontation with a person in possession of a rifle. Willfully pursued that person when said person attempted to flee from the confrontation, then cornered and attacked him. Willfully and recklessly fired a handgun in the direction of that person. Willfully and irrationally attacked a person in possession of a rifle based on the authority of second-hand, word-of-mouth information while that person was running away and presenting no threat to anyone in the vicinity. Willfully presented a false surrender in an effort to attack this person a fourth time. A text book example of mob mentality and what it means to be ignorant of the law and willfully criminal. Kyle defended himself and is in no way culpable. He was forced to defend himself from people who willfully attacked him. You're welcome.

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John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree *Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a city wide curfew. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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Pepe Cortez
Pepe Cortez

Kyle did nothing wrong.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@Esben M https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/negligence

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Esben M
Esben M

Simplistic take.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

*Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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shawn cooper
shawn cooper

how could this guy have been a cop and say kyle didnt have a choice but to shoot that CNT

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@shawn cooper Ok well charge the rioters and vigilante militants both. Neither one has the right or permission to get into a shoot out in the streets. Kyle put himself in a position where he was likely going to have to defend himself.... So he is by law partially to blame for any loss of life or damaged property his dumb decision helped perpetuate. That is the standard under which he is being charged

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shawn cooper
shawn cooper

@goblin knight thats just what i said DAMN your a bright one then every rioter looter you know the ones burning down the cities trying to whack U S marshal s over the heads with hammers AND THERE S MILLIONS are breaking the law along with killing CHILDREN cops and anything or anyone else they can this is beyond wearing a friggin mask hh

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@shawn cooper if you have an option to break a curfew and be indager... Or had the option to obey a curfew and be safe.... Which would you pick? If you pick to put yourself in danger then you are partially to blame for any loss of life or damage to property your decision causes. that is the law in the u.s.a. So if you live here you live by the law and standard this society has for its citizens.

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shawn cooper
shawn cooper

@goblin knight just watch what his lawyers say about it your argument is smoot

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shawn cooper
shawn cooper

@goblin knight EVERYTHING you said idiot has been debunked your welcome

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shawn cooper
shawn cooper

hey donut and answer if you have any balls how can you say he was wrong in the first place ???the kid was getting attacked by a gang of people and a pedo its RITE THERE the biggest FREAKS that get a kick out of killing cops you know what these animals would have did to him ???i would have done the same thing and if anyone didnt they would have been killed by these scum bags

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Esben M
Esben M

Nonsense.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

*Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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Sabastian Steele
Sabastian Steele

Kyle was well within his rights to defend himself against these thugs. Too bad some of them died, but they put themselves in a position of unfavorable vantage. At least two of them had handguns and the pervert that started this whole thing is now worm dirt, sounds like justice to me.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

*Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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TheJww97
TheJww97

I think that everyone in the situation should be held accountable. We aren't at war with one another and we definitely shouldn't be killing fellow citizens. This is America, and in America, everyone should have a gun, and EVERYONE should know that a gun is meant to do one thing: Kill. Whether it's in self-defense or a mass shooting, it is DESIGNED for one thing and one thing only. The "Militias" who brought guns to the protest are just as responsible for escalating these situations as the violent protesters. Think before you fucking act, CONSIDER a human life before you take one, these situations don't always have to be kill or be killed.

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TheJww97
TheJww97

@wildmercuryfilms I'm not here to argue with you about it, so I'll just stick to saying this and then dip out. A riot that turns into a protest still has protesters, whether they are violent and participating in the general shittiness or not. Just because the cameras show the bad most of the time, doesn't mean that there aren't good protesters out there, even in THAT mess. All I'm saying is that we ALL need to be more understanding of the ripple effects that OUR ACTIONS cause. If I kill a man, in self-defense or not, that's still a man that isn't going home and has no opportunities to change his life or see the error in ways. He has no chance to do any good or bad in his life because he is dead. The loss of any human life is wrong, the horrible happenings, rapes, beatings, mass shootings, racism, and general civil unrest is wrong, and we have a chance to sit down and sort everything out as a people, but everyone wants to shove the real issues away, the underlying problems that make people act like this, the salt in the pot that makes the water boil, so to speak.

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wildmercuryfilms
wildmercuryfilms

I think you spelled RIOT wrong. RIOT is not spelled p-r-o-t-e-s-t

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laverne lambers
laverne lambers

If the mom allowed this , How did she think it was a smart idea to allow there 17 year old to enter into such a dangerous situation ? Bringing a gun into a hostile situation is a certain mix for something to go wrong.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree where the cops on the scene or weren't they? If so then Kyle wasn't needed. If not then Kyle did ignore a do not engage order. You're welcome.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/negligence This gives a full description of what negligent in the eyes of the law means. Kyle is guilty.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree did Kyle decide to go to a riot. He put himself right where he intended to be. Therefore he is culpable. You're welcome.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

​@goblin knight *"willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic."* Not illegal. He worked at the Kenosha YMCA prior to going downtown, which is 18 miles from his home in Illinois. In turn, that is 4.5 miles from where the shootings occurred. *"WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew."* It was not a state-wide curfew. The curfew was enacted by the city of Kenosha. Get your facts straight. *"Willfully ignoring a do not engage order."* This is something you made up. It is not a real thing. Furthermore, Kyle didn't engage anyone. They engaged him, he attempted to remove himself from the engagement, they did not allow him to do so, he defended himself lawfully. *"A text book example of what it means to be negligent in the eyes of the law."* Uh huh. What you're saying here is a textbook example of what it means to be ignorant of the law.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@SharkVsTree *Consider what Kyle did* willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* Kyle may have defended himself but he is still culpable. You're welcome.

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Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things
Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things

Kyle Rittenhouse deserves a medal 🥇 end of story

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goblin knight
goblin knight

A set of medals... bars... And a metal toilet... And a metal bunk for his flimsy ass prison mattress

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Teenaj Peel
Teenaj Peel

My fucking hero............

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selftaughtinfection
selftaughtinfection

Kyle went across state lines with an ar-15, NO nonlethal equipment, NO medical equipment... Dude was LOOKING for a "legal kill" and got it. Also you're stupidly obnoxious T shirt, nice reference to a literal genocide and you wonder why people call cops fascist. That's a bad look.

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selftaughtinfection
selftaughtinfection

@SharkVsTree Commies cant swim seems like a reference to pinochet to me, guess I'm wrong there.

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

*"Kyle went across state lines with an ar-15,"* No, he did not. *"NO nonlethal equipment,"* Big surprise. He's not a cop and likely couldn't afford that stuff. *"NO medical equipment..."* He actually did have a bag full of medical supplies and did render aid to injured people before the shooting event occurred. *"Dude was LOOKING for a "legal kill" and got it."* No, dude was looking to help people resist illegal activity that the police were prevented from addressing effectively and got attacked by some idiot rioters caught up in mob mentality in the process. He prepared himself for that possibility accordingly. *"Also you're stupidly obnoxious T shirt, nice reference to a literal genocide and you wonder why people call cops fascist. That's a bad look."* Uh, WTF are you talking about? The shirt references the closing of California beaches where people aren't currently allowed to surf because of COVID restrictions. It's also a reference to the line 'Charlie don't surf!" from the movie Apocalypse Now. Hardly 'literal genocide.' People call cops 'fascist' because they don't know what 'fascist' means and they don't put the effort into questioning the opinions of people who call everything they don't like either 'fascist' or 'racist.'

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Young K
Young K

But bro why is he walking around with a rifle in the first place, only place u need a rifle is the army or a shooting range, no debate, anybody tryna defend him is completely delusional

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collnes5
collnes5

So he doesn’t get killed by rioters like the people he shot...

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Brandon Williams
Brandon Williams

Can we talk about why at 4:11 and on some guy brought a scoped bolt action rifle to a riot, not quite a crowd control rifle or a good up close defense platform

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@Brandon Williams Yeah, it certainly doesn't look like he had any significant training in tactics to me. I agree with that.

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Brandon Williams
Brandon Williams

@SharkVsTree if being the case of its the only firearm that he had then that's why he brought it, but his location in this ordeal is by choice we saw what happened to Kyle with an AR. You would expect that in a situation that is that tence he would put distance between him and the rioters. That's what I've been told in handgun classes is that distance is your friend (putting yourself in a leveraged position to exploit your firearm) not being in a lunging distance with a scoped bolt rifle

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SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

Likely because it's a hunting rifle and that's all he had available. He also may have been a minor, in which case he would only have been allowed by Wisconsin law to carry a rifle or shotgun, the same restrictions as applied to Rittenhouse.

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Larry Long
Larry Long

YouTube Sucks!

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Wizzard033
Wizzard033

Self defense doesn't have an age restriction.

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John Rage
John Rage

It does have a *negligent in the eyes of the law* restriction.

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Tony Surber
Tony Surber

He did nothing wrong

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eshu orishas
eshu orishas

Idiot

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John Rage
John Rage

Except he did everything wrong.

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Wayne Bradshaw
Wayne Bradshaw

A bit of info the skateboard is thrown at Kyle and tripped him up watch that bit of video the second shot guy has to veer side ways to collect the board before running back in to attack Kyle. Behind Kyle all the way from the UK. If you can forward the lead Thank you.

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j isbell
j isbell

@John Rage And no future, but then he didn't have much of one before.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Wayne Bradshaw you're welcome.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Wayne Bradshaw crossing a state line.... Disobeying a curfew by the executive authority of the state.... Disobeying a military and police "do not engage" order... Kyle put himself in harms way. That is a text book example of *negligent in the eyes of the law.* He is probably looking at 10 to 15 years... Out around 5 years on parole. Probation for 5 to 10 years once he is out. And no gun rights.

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Wayne Bradshaw
Wayne Bradshaw

@John Rage It an observation. I don't need to know US Law. But if Kyle was tripped up by the skateboard and not tripped over his own feet. Then that would be cause to defend ones self

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John Rage
John Rage

Stay in the UK. You don't know American law.

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Agrivated American
Agrivated American

Poor kid went to jail. He jus changed his mind when he seen prison.

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John Rage
John Rage

Yep. I agree what he did was some what noble but also very stupid. I hope he doesn't get life but I think he should have some time. I don't want kids to think they can all cross state lines and break a state wide curfew during a pandemic and purposefully put themselves in a riot and get themselves or others killed. If both sides want to face off in the street like that then all parties should be charged equally. The rioters and the militant group that Kyle was a part of. Charge them all

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rakish potato
rakish potato

Four million views. I won't get that as a total amount of views.

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living Free
living Free

Kyle is going to get life shooting a unarmed person is murder , And he has crim record .kyle had on black pants the putting the fire has on white pants . How did he get there.

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John Rage
John Rage

Amen

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TX Proud
TX Proud

Thanks

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TX Proud
TX Proud

Thanks

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Dennis Jones
Dennis Jones

this is waste of time kyle went looking for trouble now he will be lock up for life good luck u tube should remove u i did

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John Rage
John Rage

@Irshaz Parvin Kyle willingly crossed a state line to be at that riot. Kyle willing disobeyed a public safety restriction to be at that riot. That is a textbook example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law* Kyle put himself in a dangerous situation willingly and there fore is culpable for the 2 dead citizens.... Even if he was defending himself.

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Irshaz Parvin
Irshaz Parvin

Right?! The protestors weren't doing anything at all man like seriously. They weren't burning buildings vandalizing business and all around being menaces to society. PLUS they all had squeaky clean records too.

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John Rage
John Rage

This guy is full of propaganda.

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Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things
Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things

Dude they're going to get a deadlocked jury on this one that DA can bring up all kinds of charges it's not going to matter when it goes into the courtroom I hope they make that fool look like a b**** the DA Trump might even give this guy a trump card lol those of you that dont know what that means pardon him🔥

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John Rage
John Rage

@Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things my mom was an alcoholic school teacher. History and social studies... My dad was in the air force. Medical personnel. Then became the head of a lock smith company. My step mom was a lawyers assistant and I work as a research assist on and off. I suffer from insomnia. I have an I.q. of 148 according to the last test I took. I play piano and organize my shopping cart and check out line activities.. .. at the grocery store ... To like... Tetris standards... I know that from the drive way of my friend sarahbelle's house to my kitchen door it takes on average 148 steps. I have had 1 self portrait stolen from art class in high school. The closest thing to me you will find is the autistic news ancher from "the onion"... The bit where he is looking for bodies in the snow is so funny. If I shared the link would you watch. Its a comedy....?

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John Rage
John Rage

@Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things yeah sorry. I was drinking and having two discussions at once. Cheers 🍻

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John Rage
John Rage

@Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things have a good day sir. You seem reasonable. Early vote if you can. No matter who wins the other side is gonna lose their shit. Be careful

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John Rage
John Rage

@Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things so in conclusion.... If two bathrooms is a problem this country is so rich it can start making 3. If you are confused about your identity then that's ok but don't expect me to change the pronouns I use just for you. But.... If you tell me your name I can use that instead of pronouns. I kind of consider myself a reasonablist. My biggest fear about all this is that Kyle walks and 17 year olds with guns is the new standard. Every 17 year old will start packing heat. And maybe the next kid accidentally shoots my dog....or my sister in the hip.... Or my neighbor in the back. No no no. 17 year olds have better things to do. They should be studying for the s.a.t.s...or maybe getting their older friends to buy them beer..... Or maybe even trying to fuck sally twotrees who lives down the road. But we don't need 17 year old civil war reenacters to cosplay as Rambo and use live rounds during a riot It sets a very dangerous standard.

6 dager siden
John Rage
John Rage

@Gasmask Guns MRE And Other things I have a lot of conservative views but I never liked trump as the head of the Republican party. He is too much of a megalomaniac.

6 dager siden
Ronin Wolf
Ronin Wolf

Our countries founders in heaven and hell are proud of Kyle's bravery and true patriotism.

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goblin knight
goblin knight

@John Rage good point.

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John Rage
John Rage

@Ronin Wolf nah. 1. Willfully crossed a state line during a pandemic to be at the riot. 2. Willfuly broke a state wide executive's public safety regulation(curfew) to be at that riot. 3. Willfully ignored a mayors "do not engage" order issued to all police and military. That is a textbook example of *negligent in the eyes of the law* You're welcome.

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Ronin Wolf
Ronin Wolf

@John Rage nah he was defending himself against commie rioters that's why he's gonna get off

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John Rage
John Rage

@Ronin Wolf I don't believe the biblical god exists. I guess I am agnostic... But Kyle is guilty of negligent homicide.

7 dager siden
Ronin Wolf
Ronin Wolf

@John Rage and just so you know Jesus actually makes comments about the very thing you're talking about with a non-believer still doing nice things and the right thing and a believer doing those same things ant the rewards and differences between the two. I don't remember the exact verse off top of my head but it's there

7 dager siden
Segkee
Segkee

So rittenhouse can have a gun, but the guy who got his bicep shot off can’t have a gun? I know you think you’re analyzing this rationally, but you’re not. The victims criminal records have little bearing in this event. Rationally, these men were strangers and there was little context other than the “us vs them” our world has divided into. The order of events are simple: rittenhouse got into an altercation with an unarmed man. The unarmed man may have attempted to take rittenhouse’s gun. He was killed. this is the only area where self defence can be argued because what your analysis ignores is that the other people were not in a conspiracy to harm rittenhouse. that is salient because the next people rittenhouse shoots, had a good reason, backed by your videos, to try and unarm him. Why? Because he just killed someone. For them to delineate intent when they’re face to face with I’m sure to them was an active shooter, is one of the biggest things you guys overlook. By propping up rittenhouse, you undercut your own rights. Because either everyone has the right to defend themselves or no one does. Do these people not have the right to police their city too? To, yes, hit someone in the head with a skateboard that they believe to be an active shooter? Or is that only the domain of militias and 17 year old kids carrying illegally?

8 dager siden
Segkee
Segkee

​@SharkVsTree whispers: gulags paid wages. those prisoners were also afforded choices. Sigh. You literally sighed at the concept of non-chattel slavery? After saying I'm 12. You're not thinking for yourself. You're listening to Jordan Peterson, reading one of his book recommendations, and pretending that's thought. Read through that prison policy website in detail. You'll find that they do not share your understanding of the American Penal System - that it, you know, has a few problems to iron out.  The 13th amendment has had a systemic impact on how the modern U.S. penal system is used (and abused). It's not a straight line from chattel slavery to the low wage "choice" labor we see in American prisons. But the implication you're making, which is false, is that gulags used slave laboured. According to your own definitions - wages/choices - gulag labor cannot be defined as slavery. Sorry. Meaning, wow, Gulags and American Prisons really are more alike then they are different. They contain the same pretensions of "freedoms" and "rights". A trait of great thinkers like you is to disengage when your interocular cannot provide evidence for YOUR very narrow understanding of whatever topic you're discussing. You demand they prove it to you. But the demand proves you're bias. It means you're arguing from an ideological, biased position. And then you use it to bolster your own sense of righteousness: "Technically a wet ass pussy can't be that wet because that would mean the ass is also a source of moisture, which it is not! "How can they be slaves? I see no chains! Where's the whips!" "How can they be slaves if they have CHOICE to work 14 hours a day at three jobs just to pay rent." "They have a choice! They can choose to work low wage jobs or die in their own filth." "They stole some bread because they had no money and were starving. They had a choice." Oh, wow, now their in prison!! Well, they had a choice. It's on them. The systems in which they live have no impact whatsoever on how we live our lives because we are free! We have choices!!"  "Yay American Freedom!"

7 dager siden
SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

*"13th amendment explicitly allows for slavery as punishment in the penal system. That's how prisons justify their wages. So... um... got ya?"* What are you, twelve? This is a friggin' twelve year old's argument. Slaves don't get paid? They do the work or get the whip? And we don't do that in America anymore? *"You do understand that there are other forms of slavery besides chattel, right?"* sigh *"do you know how "freedom" and "choice" work?"* Not in prison, no. Never been there. I imagine it's very relative and there are more tricks to it. Being that you're... You know. In prison. *"How much does it cost for toothpaste in a prison? or soap? how much does a phone call cost? a 15 minute call in prison can cost 20 bucks (this includes calls to lawyers who may be fighting appeals on the crazy drug laws that got you locked up in the first place)."* No, you are getting jails and prisons confused. Jail phone calls are ridiculously expensive, though not quite $20 on average at the moment. Phone calls from prisons are much less expensive, though still overpriced in some states. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/phones/state_of_phone_justice.html#disparity_table_excerpt *"Now how much do prisoners get paid, on average? .00 to .90 cents an hour. "* Sounds better than nothing at all, doesn't it? Particularly when you're paying for literally nothing else, beyond whatever treats you want from the commissary. What do you suggest? Let me guess: more than people who handle themselves on the outslde without breaking the law who figure out how to pay their own rent and bills? We'll make it so it's actually advantageous to live in prison. We want to make prisons a go-to destination that everyone loves! Right? *"And who do you think this burden hurts the most in prison? Perhaps, I don't know, poor people who don't have families with the ability to pay for these calls."* That's just terrible. If you're in jail that much, maybe you ought to do something to get your shit together. Lay off the alcohol and drugs. Try to be a responsible human being, Don't get me wrong. There's a lot I don't like about how we do things in America. How we seem to do very little to educate and rehabilitate people in prison is one of them. But I have no interest in making prison feel like a holiday destination for people. *"Stop asking me to make you empathetic."* I'm not. Stop thinking your way is the only way to be empathetic. *"That's work you have to do on your own soul. Good luck."* Same to you.

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Segkee
Segkee

​@SharkVsTree 13th amendment explicitly allows for slavery as punishment in the penal system. That's how prisons justify their wages. So... um... got ya? You do understand that there are other forms of slavery besides chattel, right? do you know how "freedom" and "choice" work? How much does it cost for toothpaste in a prison? or soap? how much does a phone call cost? a 15 minute call in prison can cost 20 bucks (this includes calls to lawyers who may be fighting appeals on the crazy drug laws that got you locked up in the first place). Now how much do prisoners get paid, on average? .00 to .90 cents an hour. And who do you think this burden hurts the most in prison? Perhaps, I don't know, poor people who don't have families with the ability to pay for these calls. So for one 15 minute call to your lawyer you would have to be either rich or make panties for 22.22 hours. choice is a really weird thing when you only have two options: to work for literal pennies or to atrophy in your own filth unto death. Stop asking me to make you empathetic. That's work you have to do on your own soul. Good luck. EDIT: Gulag prisoners were also paid market wages and had certain rights (and choices) within the system. FYI.

7 dager siden
SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

​@Segkee *"you see the big picture and then support it with personal anecdote. It's like Dennis Rodman going to North Korea and saying, "In my personal experience, seems like a nice place to live."* I'm more than willing to be shown evidence of prisons being used for slave labor in America. If you've got evidence to support this, show me. If it's actually happening somewhere, I want it to end. *"The Soviet project failed, the fascist project failed, and the American system will fail BECAUSE they all use various forms of authoritarianism to reach their end goals (and they have a citizenry willing to ratfuck themselves in the name of some ideal - the soviets had the better good, you have "freedom" and "democracy" and "individual rights" - of course you narrowly apply individual rights to those carrying the guns, not skateboards... again, showing that bias)."* Pfft, okay dude. Now you're getting mad and not making a lot of sense. You're trying so damn hard to make me out to be something I'm not because I disagree with you that you fail to consider what I might actually believe and replace it with what you want to think I believe. It's pathological. *"Here is a subjective story for you: I've known many people who lived in Czechoslovakia. They were happy when the iron curtain fell. And yet, within the last year, they became nostalgic for that time in their lives. Why?"* Because being provided for is easier than being responsible for yourself, would be my guess. I'm going to bet a whole lot of Czechs didn't feel that way at all and preferred their independence. They seem like a very intelligent and independent people to me. *"Sort of like what you're doing right now. The guy who gets arrested for weed possession for the third time and is sentenced to 20 years in prison has the PRIVILEGE of sewing women's underwear for 5 cents an hour. This is a NOBLE thing in your estimate. A gift!! "* As I already stated, I don't agree with our drug laws and agree that we as a society would benefit if were were to change them. However, because they have the CHOICE not to 'sew women's underwear for 5 cents an hour' at all if they don't want to, equating our prison system to the Soviet gulags is absolutely ludicrous. See how that works? There are very large differences between how the two systems operate. *"What if, I don't know, you're not facing the truth because to face it makes you not only helpless but complicit with a system that betrays your neighbours?"* What if you're delusional and histrionic, caught up more in the emotion of what you're being told than any evidence to substantiate it and the two things aren't even remotely comparable? Hmm? *"There is no way that the majority of prisoners in gulags were actual political dissidents (ala Aleksandr, or Manning...."* Don't believe I said they were, did I? I said 'largely.' I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know for sure it's far more than America today. *"It might have been the law they used to imprison them, like weed and crack laws are used to imprison black folks. Or anti-opium laws were used to chase away the Chinese hordes. The laws themselves are secondary to the system they serve."* Weed and crack laws imprison everyone who gets caught with them regardless of race. While I agree that drug laws in the past were implemented along racial lines, you'll remember that they attempted to deny the white man's drug as well at one point. Now those laws are changing. Finally. I agree with you that the Drug War is a waste of time, effort, lives, and money that affects poor people and minorities more than they affect white people who prefer to kill themselves with prescription drugs instead. That's bullshit. I'm on board. Let's change it.

7 dager siden
Segkee
Segkee

​@SharkVsTree you see the big picture and then support it with personal anecdote. It's like Dennis Rodman going to North Korea and saying, "In my personal experience, seems like a nice place to live." Working was a privilege for those in the gulags too, comrade. It's all about whether you believed in the communist project or not. The Soviet project failed, the fascist project failed, and the American system will fail BECAUSE they all use various forms of authoritarianism to reach their end goals (and they have a citizenry willing to ratfuck themselves in the name of some ideal - the soviets had the better good, you have "freedom" and "democracy" and "individual rights" - of course you narrowly apply individual rights to those carrying the guns, not skateboards... again, showing that bias). Here is a subjective story for you: I've known many people who lived in Czechoslovakia. They were happy when the iron curtain fell. And yet, within the last year, they became nostalgic for that time in their lives. Why? Because they had roofs over their heads, they were provided medical care, and educations (even if those educations were censored - they could read and write and were able to take that education with them when the emigrated here). The state, for the average citizen under soviet rule, did provide some stability and security. But at what cost? Remember these guys left their county for a good reason: because that stability and security came at the expense of millions of people in gulags! Now they forget that reality and are only nostalgic for the good provided to them by the communist regime. Sort of like what you're doing right now. The guy who gets arrested for weed possession for the third time and is sentenced to 20 years in prison has the PRIVILEGE of sewing women's underwear for 5 cents an hour. This is a NOBLE thing in your estimate. A gift!! What if, I don't know, you're not facing the truth because to face it makes you not only helpless but complicit with a system that betrays your neighbours? There is no way that the majority of prisoners in gulags were actual political dissidents (ala Aleksandr, or Manning.... It might have been the law they used to imprison them, like weed and crack laws are used to imprison black folks. Or anti-opium laws were used to chase away the Chinese hordes. The laws themselves are secondary to the system they serve.

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DragonFlyX
DragonFlyX

The problem is that Kyle should have never been there in the first place. He should have never had the gun in the first place. He is a kid. Doesn't matter if he believes he was trying to "help the world". That is not his responsibility. Regardless of everything he knowingly took an illegal loaded weapon and traveled to the area. Whether he intended to shoot someone when he decided to go there is irrelevant. Now people have lost their lives because he was a stupid teen. Whether the exact charges are correct is the only thing that should be up to debate but yes he should be charged in one way or another for the victims of his gunshots.

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DragonFlyX
DragonFlyX

@SharkVsTree So let me get this straight. You went and found a random video without even watching it to prove something? Either you're listening to him because you watched it or you didnt watch it and just decided to post it. Either way that throws red flags up. As to your question about why it doesnt explicitly say only for hunting with YOUR EXPLANATION being that it's to complie with the statute, that is an opinion and not factual. As I said before laws are ambiguous because of issues just like this. Something doesnt go into enough detail and cover every single tiny thing and lawyers interpret it into their own words the same as a preacher would do with the bible. Some may agree with each other while others do not. This is why old cases are constantly brought up in court because it's the only thing that gives some form of solid ground for people to use for their case because of a judge's ruling. I can just as easily say that it is an entirely reasonable explanation that they DIDNT put those words in because there was no need to. It's all a play on words and until a judge/jury makes a final ruling with no appeal reversing it then this argument will never be true for either side because it is all speculation and personal beliefs as to what the law means. Now if you'll excuse me it is 1 in the morning and I am going to bed. You can choose to argue to nobody or you can wait and see like I've already said. Your choice have fun

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John Rage
John Rage

@DragonFlyX tell him that and he will shut up.

7 dager siden
John Rage
John Rage

@DragonFlyX willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.*

7 dager siden
SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

@DragonFlyX *"please your the one sitting there listening to a random YouTuber trying to interpret the laws himself."* I did no such thing. I provided that think to you because it means I don't have to type out an explanation for you. He already went into the details of it and explains everything I would explain to you in text. BTW, that random YouTuber is a well-known lawyer name Will Chamberlain. *"I simply took the simplest thing to try to get it through that thick skull of yours."* Well, it was pretty weak, I'm afraid. *"On top of that there is also several other retorts I have. That entire section was out there to permit people who are 16 and 17 to be able to hunt. Why do you think the subchart says regulations for hunting and trapping?"* Because part of the reason (3)(c) was added was to allow minors to hunt unsupervised. Why doesn't the language of the paragraph state that it only applies to hunting? Hmm? Second time I've asked you this question. My answer to that is so that Wisconsin law becomes compliant with federal statute 10 USC 246. Which is an entirely reasonable explanation. *"Yes laws are ambiguous and that's why this is going to a jury because of silver tongued lawyers giving their opinion on the law. Just watch and wait and you'll see when he gets sentenced for it."* Oh, I highly doubt it. We generally try very hard to take the ambiguity out of law, and that is the case here. Again, there's nothing in the law that gives the state the authority to convict him on 948.60(2)(a) because he was fully in compliance with (3)(c) as it stands. Just the way it is, man.

7 dager siden
DragonFlyX
DragonFlyX

@John Rage this is why I wish youtube had a block feature

7 dager siden
Tracy Bagwell
Tracy Bagwell

Kyle is innocent.

8 dager siden
goblin knight
goblin knight

You misspelled guilty

7 dager siden
John Rage
John Rage

Willfully Crossing a state line during a pandemic Willfully Breaking a state wide curfew order from the governor. Willfully Breaking a "do not engage" order from the mayor to all military and police personal. That is a textbook example of *negligent in the eyes of the law* Kyle is guilty of negligent homicide. You're welcome.

7 dager siden
HAVOC IN THE HIGHLANDS
HAVOC IN THE HIGHLANDS

The first shots were fired by someone behind Kyle and Rosenbaum. There are multiple videos that show this and the person who fired those shots has been identified. Seems to me that Kyle must have heard the shots because others around him claim to have heard them. I think it is reasonable to assume that Kyle believed someone was firing at him from behind. Rosenbaum was chasing Kyle and was almost on top of him when Kyle fired. To me that is self-defense. Illinois has decided not to file charges against Kyle for bringing a gun across state lines because he did not bring a gun across state lines. When are we allowed to defend ourselves and our communities? How much do we have to take of this mob violence? Police aren’t allowed to do much and the rioters that have been arrested are almost always released without charges. Why? Why are they allowed to rampage through the streets unchecked? If the government is incapable of defending our rights the Constitution is clear that we have the duty to defend ourselves. Period.

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Hawkinson B.
Hawkinson B.

Every fucking shootout on youtube: *Watching the actual video* *Keep an eye on the suspect* *Oops! Suspect points gun at officer* *Officer aims and shoot at suspect* *Twitter: WTF HE DIDN'T DO NUFFIN'?*

8 dager siden
Legoman775
Legoman775

imgaine it being illegal for "millita" aka, citizens protecting their community from dangerous RIOTERS and ANARCISTS

8 dager siden
TireFireJones
TireFireJones

@John Rage thanks

7 dager siden
John Rage
John Rage

@TireFireJones cheers

7 dager siden
John Rage
John Rage

@SharkVsTree willfully crossing a state line during a pandemic. WiIlfully ignoring a state wide curfew. Willfully ignoring a do not engage order. A text book example of what it means to be *negligent in the eyes of the law.* You're welcome

7 dager siden
SharkVsTree
SharkVsTree

​ @TireFireJones *"he’s seventeen, shouldn’t have a weapon, lived out of state and brought a weapon."* He's seventeen and it was perfectly legal for him to possess the rifle. He didn't bring the weapon from out of state. It was legally loaned to him by a Kenosha resident. The fact that he lives out of state is irrelevant. *"and while he shouldn’t be charged with manslaughter or murder, he at least needs a weapons charge"* He has been charged with a possession crime. However, the charge won't stick because he was not in violation of an exception to the statute in 948.60(3)(c). Again, it was legal for him to possess and carry the rifle in Wisconsin. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-U_bzNsGAY&t=5m

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TireFireJones
TireFireJones

@SharkVsTree and while he shouldn’t be charged with manslaughter or murder, he at least needs a weapons charge

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Sir GzOnE
Sir GzOnE

How many people dead is it considered mass shooting

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